Germaine Greer

This article doesn't do Greer's career justice, so I'm going to do a re-write over the next few days. The page may look a bit odd at times in the course of that e.g. a References section with so far only one reference in it, but this will be very temporary. Crazy frog ringtone SlimVirgin/Slim 04:20, Jan 7, 2005

External links vs Further Reading

As I mentioned before, I'm thrilled you're improving this page. I do think that in the interest of standardisation the section-title "External links" makes more sense. Miss Monroe 18 fvw/fvwCricket ringtones User talk:Fvw/* 22:30, 2005 Jan 7

:I went through the featured-article process recently with an article I wrote on Holly Coed Bernard Williams, and apparently the preferred thing is to have a References section, containing the books, articles, external links etc that you actually use to compile the piece; then you list the Books by that person if it's an author. Regarding an "external links" section, apparently there is no rule, but you can have one if you want one. My reasoning is that, as I'll be providing external links in the References section, it will look odd calling the remaining external links "External links," if you see what I mean. As they will be links I haven't actually used, and may include books and other materials not linked to, it seemed to me that "further reading" made most sense. If you look at LG ringtones Bernard Williams, you'll see how I did it there.

:I'd prefer to follow the References/Books/Further reading model in the meantime, then when I've finished the rewrite, you can decide which you prefer, and we can always change it back again. I've written up to the Female Eunuch section, which I may start tonight, depending on how slow Wikipedia is. Hope that's okay. Best, Liz Ashley Nude SlimVirgin/Slim 22:45, Jan 7, 2005

::Okay, that's definately more thought out than just an EL section. Works for me, keep up the good work. Samsung ringtone fvw/fvwSoft Cotton Panties User talk:Fvw/* 22:48, 2005 Jan 7

Also, I've uploaded some pics, and will probably upload more. They may look a bit strange for awhile, with so many pics and very little text, but as the text fleshes out, it will hopefully all fit into place. I believe the photographs are fair use, as they can be found in several places on the Internet, but just to be sure, I'll be e-mailing the sites trying to find the copyright holder, and will seek that person's permission, to be safe. Punjabi Ringtones SlimVirgin/Slim 23:13, Jan 7, 2005
:If you're asking them anyway, try to get GFDL, that way the images can be included in other non-website versions of wikipedia as well. Teen Asss fvw/fvwCingular Ringtones User talk:Fvw/* 23:33, 2005 Jan 7

Warwick?
Sorry to leave this page in such a mess. I meant to start expanding the Female Eunuch section a few days ago but got waylaid. About Warwick: is she definitely still there, because I heard she was moving/or had moved to Cambridge, but I can't find her in their English dept, and she doesn't seem to be listed at Warwick's either, unless I've gone blind. See here [http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/english/staff]. Has she fallen through the cracks? supply lean SlimVirgin/SlimVirgin 13:38, Jan 13, 2005

Intro

''A professor of English literature at the University of Warwick in England, and the author of several highly acclaimed books, Greer's ground-breaking The Female Eunuch became...'' I wanted to change this because it's not grammatical: "a professor..." and "the author..." are dependent phrases, but they're attached to Greer's book, not to Greer herself. though linux Jacquerie27/Jacquerie27 11:38, 15 Jan 2005

:Yes, fair point. Sorry, I hadn't noticed this. Feel free to change it again. tiggy legge SlimVirgin/SlimVirgin 19:36, Jan 15, 2005

::Jacquerie, I've changed it to: "A professor of English literature at the University of Warwick in England, and the author of several highly acclaimed books, Greer became a household name in 1970 when her ground-breaking The Female Eunuch became an international best-seller, bringing her both adulation and criticism." I hope that's okay. Thank you for pointing out my mistake and I'm sorry I didn't "get it" when you were trying to correct it. I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion. can long SlimVirgin/SlimVirgin 22:02, Jan 15, 2005

:::Don't worry about it: I've done the same. I haven't been able to find GG at Warwick as a current member of staff, but their site does say this:

::::Germaine Greer is Professor of English and Comparative Studies. While teaching at Warwick earlier in her career, she wrote her ground-breaking book, The Female Eunuch. [http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/about/warwickmagazine02/]

:::When you look at an archived page from 2003, she's there as a member of staff (see [http://web.archive.org/web/20030626050334/http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/english/staff/]). colour with Jacquerie27/Jacquerie27 10:55, 16 Jan 2005

:It's weird that she's on Warwick's archived page but not the current one. I heard a rumor that she had gone back to Cambridge, or was intending to, but I can't find a reference to her on any of the Cambridge sites either, and the Guardian said she was at Warwick in a recent article about Big Brother. Actually, I just noticed I have "became" twice in the sentence I rewrote: "Greer became a household name . . . The Female Eunuch became . . . a bestseller," so I'm going to have to tweak it again. nights is SlimVirgin/SlimVirgin 17:23, Jan 16, 2005

::Re: The sentence: "Over Easter weekend 2000, Greer was held hostage by Karen Burke, a nineteen-year-old student who had been writing to Greer, and who eventually broke into her home in agent setup Essex and tied Greer up in the kitchen. Friends expecting Greer for dinner went to find out what had happened to her, and found Greer lying in a distressed state on the floor, with Burke hanging onto her legs."
::Apparently, according to those who found Greer, she was hanging onto Greer's legs shouting: "Mummy, mummy, don't leave me," but I thought I'd spare both women's dignity and not mention that last bit. a whit SlimVirgin/SlimVirgin 19:38, Jan 16, 2005

::Lol. I hadn't heard that and I'd never thought of Greer as maternal myself. That's why I doubt she'd mind people mentioning it. proofreading is Jacquerie27/Jacquerie27 12:21, 19 Jan 2005
:::She's actually surprisingly maternal, and getting more so as she gets older. This shows up very clearly on bits of the recent celebrity big brother thing (which I only scanned through for good Greer bits, honest!). Still, I don't think we should be withholding information to save people's dignity, it kind of conflicts with our purpose as a conveyor of information. Posting the "mummy, mummy" quote isn't strictly necessary in my view, but if we don't we might want to include at least some indication of the girl's motives. I'd add something myself, but this article is the first I've heard of the whole incident and I'm still not entirely clear what exactly '''was''' going on. colored church fvw/fvwrich merited User talk:Fvw/* 14:55, 2005 Jan 19

Finished first draft
I've finished the first draft of this article, so it's now just a question of filling it out with a few more details. I want to write more about her second book, and I also want to find something about the controversy she started in the mid-80s when she wrote somewhere that rape wasn't so bad, but that women had simply been conditioned to believe it was (conditioned by men), as part of men's view of women as property. I know her views on that lost her a lot of feminist support. I'd also like to write more about the Rachel Padman incident because that also lost her support, and I can't find out exactly when she left Newnham in relation to it. The bibliography also needs to be expanded, because she has written more books than just the ones mentioned. I also did insert the bit about Burke shouting: "Mummy, mummy" when she was found, because it's in all the articles about it, so it seemed odd to leave it out. peers by SlimVirgin/SlimVirgin 05:54, Jan 19, 2005